Can’t beat that with a stick. As for Remington: They’re the Walmart of guns. But I don’t want to sound like a gun nut (’cause I just read and commented a previous TTAG post), so let me congratulate you on a sub 400 dollar gun purchase. Nice gun. 1 Remington 700 CDL in .243 Winchester. I have never once had a functional problem with the gun. You sound like my daughters boy friend. Don’t you think that it’s a little, I don’t know, unsportsmanlike to use a gun that is pretty much based off an M-16? If I needed a cheap deer hunting bolt gun, I think that would be my first choice. He watched and after a few rounds I had it on target at 50 yards. (The stock was junk, so I replaced it with a heavy pillar-bedded John Plaster stock.). Now that we’ve got the Savage Axis, the Ruger American, Remington’s “new” 783, it’s nice to see a traditional M700 for sale at a good price. Nosler recommends 1:8 or quicker for its 105-grain Custom Competition bullet, Hornady says the same for its 103-grain ELD-X and 108-grain ELD Match bullets. I had one. Even so, I believe the time has come for a quick-twist option in standard-production factory rifles chambered for the cartridge. The difference between 7lbs and 9lbs is in the noise. I am a 62 year old (well last season 61 year old) guy in pretty good shape. The affordably priced rifle that was based on the Marlin XL7 design now comes in a range of six calibers — including 7mm and .300 Win Mag – and puts a quality bolt … Yes I am a vet and was trained on the old M-16. I did some handload testing to see how the ADL held up to high pressures and was happy to find that I could get the velocity that I wanted without any signs of pressure. Customizable * * * * * I bought a Remington 700 ADL at a garage sale down the street 30 yrs ago. I picked up a .222 Rem savage 860E for 200 dollars used that will lay a coyote right out. I used the same gun for pheasant hunting and was in misery half way through the hunt. I looked all the time and know most of the shop owners by name. Kimber Classic Select Grade 243 Rifle. Since the SPS is nothing more than an ADL with a hinged floorplate, I couldn’t justify spending $200 more (or more, considering you are getting a 3-9x scope) for the trigger guard that I already had. Ha Ha Ha. I don’t see the big deal with rifle weight when you are out hunting. That allows the use of heavier powder charges, but keep in mind that shooters who exceed pressure-tested maximum charge weights published by various reliable sources are on their own. What do you need something like that for?” Him: “It’s what everyone is using now!”. ©COPYRIGHT 2020, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Because somehow I think I’m talking apples and you’re talking oranges. ; Again, remember that 10 mph wind and 20+ mph gusts were making things difficult. My son is 7 and he was able to keep them inside the 10 ring. The bore is button-rifled, and its twist rate is 1:9.125 inches. The barrelled action of the Model 783 has some really nice features. The only advantage I see in the Remington is that it appears to have a more weather-proof finish, instead of the traditional blueing of the Howa. Nope, these cheaper-than-cheap guns are available in limited areas and only in limited stores – mainly “big box” retailers like Wal-Mart, Dick’s, Sportsman’s Warehouse, and a few others. I’m making this into a one shot, one kill gun. And have nothing against it, but I prefer to hunt with a bolt gun and lever actions. You can’t build a house using just a hammer. Not only have AR’s been carried, dragged, and “low crawled,” all over the world, so also have heavier guns such as the MK 203 and M249 SAW. At my local store, they are available in .223, .243, and 30-06 – three calibers that should cover almost every game animal in North America. They should not be pretty, they should be rugged!! The “experts” said they wouldn’t have one. I didn’t start out on here to try to offend anyone’s ideas of what has to be before you can do it. It was “impossible” I was told. After all, Winchester engineers described it as the ideal deer cartridge that also hit harder and bucked wind better than smaller calibers on varmints, and who were we to question their wisdom? Speaking of shotguns, way back in the early 1970’s when I took a job in law enforcement I bought one of the original Hi Standard Model 10A’s. The .243 WSSM and the .240 Weatherby Magnum have never been close. It measures 1.080 inches at the receiver and tapers to 0.85 inch at the muzzle. Or in other words, to each his own. It wasn’t as nice as the BDL or CDL line, but still very attractive.The SPS replaced the ADL and went to synthetic, although Remington maintained the wood-stocked BDL and CDL lines. After pulling the bolt out and bore-sighting by eye, I found paper and was only a little off. An excellent Remington 700 BDL rifle in .243 caliber. It’s also a perfectly decent budget rifle in its own right, and perhaps superior to other Big Box rifles because of its customization potential. I love my Remington 788 in .243. Factory-loaded .243 ammo is kept within the established maximum overall length, and the same holds true for those who develop load data for various reloading manuals. You are right about the scope. I personally like to stay above the .30 mark, because of laws in places making it illegal to hunt with the smaller calibers. OK… How about we just call this one “game over”. Ah, well. Well Pat, I’m not knocking your “statistics”. The ADL stock is no different and it’s on top of my list of things to upgrade. He bumped that rifle against trees, the ground, and a few deer stands. I said that “my” AR’s are too heavy, not all AR’s- my lightest AR with scope installed comes in at 9.5-lbs unloaded and it is also front heavy and not something I want to drag through the desert. Remington?s Model 700 action, the mainstay of its full-bore rifle range, needs no introduction. The oversize bolt handle knob is easy on the hand during prolonged shooting, and in the event of a pierced primer or blown case, the shape of the bolt shroud should do a good job of protecting the shooter from propellant gas traveling back through the receiver. SAAMI maximum chamber pressure is a bit higher for the Creedmoor, and there is also the matter of useable net capacities of the two cases in factory rifles. The magazine of one of my target rifles measures 3.125 inches, and its chamber throat exceeds the SAAMI maximum. My favorite .243 Win. I shot it at a distance of 5 ft. with a starting pistol. The trigger is an X-Mark Pro trigger but is adjusted from the factory and has no provision for any external adjustments. I’m not one to argue with statistics, but I know what I’ve done and seen others do. Also, keep in mind that this is a .243 and it is actually a hair under 8lbs (I rounded up). As I said, you “could” use a 308 at 1000-yards much as you could use a flathead screwdriver as a chisel, can opener, paint/caulk scraper, toothpick, ignition key, etc. “And I think I’ve made my new “cheap” hunter/target toy that can stand with the big boys” – not even close! on the down side the scope a bushnell/remington does not focus or clear well and only has les than a 2 inch eye relif witch is great for eye cuts. I can consistantly disintegrate milk jugs fill with water at 200 yards. But it seems to me that you’ve spent more time reading statistics off of ammo boxes and websites than in the field. Barrett!” Me: “Really? and we’ll both be happy. Few scratches here and there from the years in the field and she still shoots as good as I can. 1.) It’s got a world-class Kahles 6x scope on it. I configured this and set guidelines to go by for this. ( I paid $120 for my scope-less gun back in 1972). Stainless steel and polymer are best choices for all weather all terrain guns. I don’t know how heavy/long your AR is but there’s no reason you couldn’t have just added a $60 optic on it and been good to go. That was done in order to achieve acceptable accuracy with short, varmint-weight bullets, but when longer deer bullets were seated to that length, they displaced powder capacity and combustion area by extending deeply into the case. Or just man up and carry it if you make it so heavy. @brigo05 – you’re correct – this is the “new” version of the ADL. is just too darned good to ever die. The .308 is a very effective round on the same level as the 30.06 but with a milder recoil. I wonder if you would make this same argument if it were 100 years earlier and bolt-actions guns were being used in the woods instead of blackpowder guns? My shot was 220. I will start handloading again when I retire later this year. light, reflex, can, or similar) or it should be a purpise built D.M. I have some more load development to do – mainly I want to try a few lighter bullets and some new brass, but was overall happy with my results. Remington offers the CDL variant of their Model 700 in 3 … Reliability * * * * Soon after marriage, I bought my wife, Phyllis, a Model 70 Featherweight chambered for .243, and shortly thereafter she took a Wyoming pronghorn so good I figured I would be a long time catching up. That sounds like a great deal! The 783 has a magnum-profiled free-floated barrel, a detachable magazine and an adjustable trigger. He killed his first deer, a little spike, on Dec 28th with an 80 yard shot. Sure, you “can” hunt CXP2 game at 1000-yards with a 308 Win, I’m sure it’s been done before. I don’t study them, so I can’t argue the points that you’ve made. The 80 grain soft points can still break bone and fully penetrate up to 150 yards, but should be put in boiler room after that . That’s why I choose it for my personal choice. which I thought was a steal! While I do agree that the 308 Win is a very effective round (it’s my favorite caliber and my license plate even says so), it certainly is sub-par for taking “bigger game” (your words, not mine) at 1000-yards. I think it is YOU who are here to “brag”, since all you have done since you butted in on my post is do exactly that. Hey! To get a comparable AR-based gun, you’d have to go with an AR-10. He said that the shot couldn’t be made from a moving boat. I tried my hardest to find a used .223 or .243 – every gun and pawn shop within 50 miles has been thoroughly searched each week for the last two months. HP flat base is another top choice. Good for you for buying a new rifle and having fun with it, but it’s kind of silly to say that a full sized M-16 which has been used for generations to hunt and stalk people on battlefields isn’t suitable to shoot varmints like coyotes. A lot of people out here also are into “thru hiking” with ultra light gear. For a slight premium, the rifle can also be ordered with a left handed action. Semi-auto guns have been around and been used for a long time (think Mini-14, Remington 760, etc) and no one has an issue with them, just as long as the gun has a walnut stock…. Chamber throat and magazine lengths in .243 rifles do vary, and some can be long enough to seat bullets far beyond the SAAMI maximum. It is an “honest” 600-yard hunting rifle, even if I’m a practiced 1000-yard shooter. One of my more memorable hunts with it was for chamois and Himalayan tahr in the snowclad Southern Alps of New Zealand. It’s a tool box. Nothing fancy, but great for getting rid of pests. O/A Length: 44” Otherwise, nice review of the ADL. While I don’t have many safe queens and I love me an Arizona “pin stripe” on an XJ/TJ/YJ, my $2000+ AR’s are best kept pretty (or as pretty as possible)! I already have the harmonics under control to the point that the vibration “dead zone” is located at the muzzle. With the exception of the S&W 629 Mountain Gun that wouldn’t shoot worth a damn, I have had nothing but the best of luck with them and at a significant price savings. It’s called extrapolation. Next, we pit subsonic rivals against each other before stretching the legs of this CQB round out to 600 yards from a short 9-inch barrel. I very much prefer a 9lb rifle which is comfortable to shoot, reliable and stout. I simply meant to show some that might not have the budget to build a long range “field rifle”, that they could get great performance a whole lot cheaper than they might think. 26″ bull barrel 308 for $349. Just bought a youth model for my son in 243. During its 63 years of existence, the .243 Win. FWIW, my “howitzer” for canyon/open-plain hunting is a Remington Model Seven chambered in 300 SAUM. I tested the 75 and 87-grain versions of the Hornady VMAX rounds loaded in fully-prepped R-P brass. Some people have good luck, some say a .222 is the minimum caliber for ‘yotes. Like most stocks, I have a problem with my cheek-weld – most end up being “chin welds.” I need to pay attention to solid and repeatable placement, which is why I prefer adjustable comb stocks on my target guns. Read the whole .243 project rifle review story Official Australian Hunter review. I have spent all day in the woods without getting fatigued. £989 US$1,321/€1,083. What is a good safe grain to shoot through the 700? I’ve since had it partially glass-bedded and replaced scopes a time or two. groups at 100 yds using my favarite hand loads. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. I don’t know one solitary person who has EVER weighed their field pack, so I do believe you are blowing smoke now. The gun was replaced by the Remington … I can assume that throughout the past few years/decades/centuries, that thousands upon thousands of hunters have stalked prey. However, there is a limit. Ranges out to 300+yards will still anchor them if you keep it in vital area. Because of this, we used the weight value of only the lightest known factory rifle for each caliber on the market today: the Barrett Fieldcraft with a 24-inch barrel chambered in .25-06 Remington (weight: 6 lbs. oiled satin walnut stocks, perfect polished blueing, iron sights, jeweled bolts…How are the BDL, CDL any better? I don’t get the logic. If so please respond, I have a few questions for you. A beat up AR has more street cred! "The .243 Win. Two boxes of factory ammo and 50 handloads that approached maximum loads with no problems to speak of. Why say the old walnut ADL’s were bargain benders? I have taken a lot of game with the .243 Win. This coming from a former marine with a couole of my own AR’s, and if it wasnt for the arbitrary NFA rules i would have real M4’s, and maybe not a 249 saw (because they are junk) but a shrike upper on an auto lower for the same abilities with less weight, better ergonmics, and just the shear jiy of firing belt fed. Bed the scope base (A recoil lug type helps keep the scope zeroed.) If your groups are smaller than a coyote then you’re good to go. My older ADL has a beautiful walnut stock. Remington rifles have tighter chambers and this is one reason they shoot soo well. is loaded to maximum but safe chamber pressures with bullets weighing 100 to 115 grains, that rifle consistently exceeds 6mm Creedmoor maximum velocity by 100 fps and more. How’s that? The .243 Win. Most Shooting Times readers are probably familiar with the Model 783, but for those who are not, I will touch on its major design features. The .300 Blackout is here to stay, and we take some time to look at new technology surrounding this cartridge. I’ll find out this week. I agree with you (and I’m pushing 50) and I frankly don’t see the obsession with these “mountain rifles” – a bolt gun stripped down to under 7lbs in some ferocious caliber that kicks so hard it nearly knocks your teeth out. I guess in the end, it’s what a person is comfortable with and/or familiar with that I think is most important. I’m looking at buying bulk ammo. I own 2 ADL’s. Remington 783 Review 243 Winchester – unbox my deer has raved about the.243 Win cartridge for youth hunters and even smaller adults. Daylight and couple years short (or long I should say) on this post. The previous models (I have one in .270) had nice walnut and no floor plate. That’s the same idea that I came up with. 8.) And obviously AR’s have been beat to hell around the world – but mine haven’t I don’t know of many Marines shelling out their own money for their own M4’s or M249’s. Glass bedded and free floated the barrel. One of those, “East is East, West is West….” kinda things. I was amazed at the accuracy and clearness of the scope. . In the 20 years and 20 states that I’ve hunted in, I can only think of a handful of times where even a 9″ bipod would allow the barrel to clear the vegetation. I don’t plan on shooting competition going through a hundred rounds in a session. Remington Model 7 rifle is one of its kind, and it needs no introduction. M1 carbine. If you get an elk or sheep that requires deboning/quartering, many guys aim to keep their “pack weight” consistent. Been there, done that. ), than in a hunter’s hands hunting coyote ( Which is what I would do with a simple bolt action rifle like the one discussed in the article) . If its worth $2k! There is more discussion of the.243 Winchester cartridge in our “ Is.243 Win a Good Deer Rifle for Kids ” post. Guessed wrong. It is a very deadly round when you use the 17gr V-Max pill. If I’m going to be in open ground, I prefer my .308’s. For 2019, Remington introduced a production-class Model Seven with a stock to match any to come from its Custom Shop. high off the bank. I too like my guns and packs light in weight – my 2-day/3-night hunting pack is under 45 lbs with shelter, gun, food, and ammo. Good review, Thanks for sharing…. The bedding increases the accuracy of the rifle 3 fold. Perhaps you’ve just been uber lucky to clear ridgelines without be spotted. Remington Model 770 Build. Some say chamber throat erosion is slower with the Creedmoor due to its sharper 35-degree shoulder angle. I should have bought it. Although the scope is less than ideal, it is acceptable for dragging through the woods (or scrub). Excellent first gun!! Loved it and never should have sold it, except I needed to actually eat and stuff. The other comparable, really good deal would be the Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter series. While the SuperCell recoil pad is not actually needed on a 11-pound rifle in .243 Win., it ranks among the best available. How about Hornady? Why get into defending ARs? So what is the best rifle to have? It could be any similar weighted scope. The scope comes mounted and bore-sighted and from what I can tell, is nothing more than a Tasco World Class 3-9×40 available elsewhere for $50-60 – except that this scope has a Remington “R” on each of the turret caps. Recently I’ve been making friends at the local range and I finally found someone to take me coyote hunting out here in the desert (yay!). Lets be realistic – you started your initial post with a disclaimer, not me… As it turned out, the first couple of rounds downrange couldn’t even hit paper on a 2’x3’ board. It’s not like you are packing 80lbs of ammo, rations, grenades, body armors and other gear. Ive built and tinkered with many a gun in my day, but this one definitely is the most special cause it lets me still hunt at all ranges with my spinal injury. There are four models in the 783 range — the standard tested here, a compact, a camo (all with a synthetic stock) and a walnut-stocked version. The wide, flat-bottom fore-end of the brown laminate stock is nicely shaped for shooting over a sandbag, but since many of the rifles I have used to drop varmints through the decades have worn a Harris folding bipod, I used one of them when punching five-shot groups in paper targets from a concrete bench. Most ARs are lighter and shorter than the ADL. The groups I get are in line with Patrick’s. However, often overlooked is Remington?s range of carbine-size rifles named the Model Seven. In 2013, Remington introduced the Model 783 bolt-action rifle in the highly competitive budget-rifle market. 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